TLP: Stupid is as Stupid Does

Sunday, February 20, 2011 , , 25 Comments

confederate plate
Not that he stands a chance anyway, but Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour seems determined to do things that ensure that his political base will never expand beyond, uh, Mississippi.

AP via HuffPost:
Does Haley Barbour have a Confederate problem?

It's a question hounding Mississippi's Republican governor as he gears up for a possible 2012 presidential run. Barbour refused this week to condemn a proposed state license plate to honor Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Confederate general who was also an early Ku Klux Klan leader.

Barbour wouldn't say what he thinks about Forrest, a Tennessee native who's venerated by some as a brilliant military strategist and reviled by others for leading the 1864 massacre of black Union troops at Fort Pillow, Tenn.

"Look," Barbour told The Associated Press, "if you want a lesson on Nathan Bedford Forrest, buy a book."

Was Barbour's decision not to denounce a divisive historical figure a political calculation to appeal to conservative voters in early presidential primary states such as South Carolina? Or was he simply showing his well-known stubborn streak?
Stubborn is one word for it, I guess. Clueless might be another. Politically suicidal comes to mind. In the last year, he's professed himself to be puzzled at criticism that Virginia's Confederate History Month omitted a mention of slavery, saying the controversy "doesn't amount to diddly," and then had to explain what he really meant to say about segregationist Citizens Councils in the South during the civil rights era.

And, oh yeah, he coughed up a tar ball during last summer's BP oil spill when he appeared to be accommodating to drilling interests even as the slick spread across the Gulf of Mexico and onto the Mississippi shore.

Maybe Barbour doesn't need a book to learn the story of Nathan Bedford Forrest. Could be that his lesson is in a movie.
Forrest: (voice-over) Now, when I was a baby, Momma named me after the great Civil War hero, General Nathan Bedford Forrest... She said we was related to him in some way. And, what he did was, he started up this club called the Ku Klux Klan. They'd all dress up in their robes and their bedsheets and act like a bunch of ghosts or spooks or something. They'd even put bedsheets on their horses and ride around. And anyway, that's how I got my name. Forrest Gump. Momma said that the Forrest part was to remind me that sometimes we all do things that, well, just don't make no sense.
And that's all I have to say about that.

The Lazy Paperboy

Some say he’s half man half fish, others say he’s more of a seventy/thirty split. Either way he’s a fishy bastard.


Anonymous said...

Oh how very lazy of you, TLP.
Please try harder than just regurgitating a HuffPo hit-piece, OK?

Barbour was being goaded into denouncing the proposal and refused to take the bait. He reasserted his position that it would not pass.

Anonymous -

The story was by the AP, it just ran on HuffPost, and made the simple point that Barbour puts himself at political risk pointlessly, especially because this appears to be a dead issue. And it's not the first time. Ibid, op cit.

And, come on, as much as I like being lazy, I actually did some work here. I had to look up old posts and make a pop culture reference. And that put me at risk. I am definitely in danger of an ass-whipping, since JDA hates movie quotes.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Anonymous said...

I stand corrected.
AP hit-piece.
And that's all I have to say about that. ;-)

wcv said...

'Cause the AP is soooo ideologically different than the HuffPo!


Anonymous said...

"War means fighting and fighting means killing."

I lived in a county (Forrest) named for Nathan Bedford Forrest. Self-made, big, respected and feared, no bullshit type of guy who signed up to fight even though he was loaded in dough and came from humble beginnings. By comparison, today we are all a bunch of emo, tit suckling, cry baby bitches when compared to N.B.F. The "War on Terror" (pfffffttttt) would have lasted about 9 months if someone like N.B.F. were calling the shots and we'd probably be filling our gas tanks with 50 cent a gallon gas AND best of all, a N.B.F. type of person would make no apologies for his actions - he'd probably tell his detractors to kiss his hillbilly ass.

Anonymous said...

"On June 14, 1863, he was shot by a disgruntled subordinate, Andrew W. Gould, whom Forrest then mortally wounded with his penknife"

Check it out - how many mofo's do you know that can go show up at a gunfight armed only with their trusty Boy Scout knife and walk away victorious? He's like Shaft.... he's a baaaaaaaaaadddd muthaf.......... shut yo' mouf!

Anonymous said...

"With no formal military training, Nathan Bedford Forrest became one of the leading cavalry figures of the Civil War"

Sort of like bloggers commenting on central banking and economics on the' may' shun sooooooooooooooooo-per highway paved by another great Tennesean, Al Gore!!!!!! Happy Vice-President's Day (???)

Anonymous said...

It's a little early to get excited about who's gonna run and what their chances are... there is still PLENTY of time for any/all of them to be caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl.

Anonymous @ 1:44 -

All Haley Barbour has to do is own it. Or not.


We'll have a media lesson someday. With Guinness.


You can keep 'em coming.

Ooooh, I'm shaking in my CFM boots.

Good girl. I've seen those boots.

Anonymous said...

He already did own it - no condemnation of N.B.F. - "want to learn about N.B.F. then buy a book" which few people in these Great United States of America will do. Most media will only latch on to the fact that N.B.F. was once affilitated with the early K.K.K. during Reconstruction and that is as far as they will go in who the man was and what he was about. N.B.F. was a product of his times in many ways but he had qualities that made him exceptional amongst his peers.

"Sherman confessed to being perpetually flummoxed by Forrest's feral cunning and exhausted by his energy. In his first engagement, in Kentucky, Forrest defeated a Union force twice the size of his own." This coming from William Tecumseh Sherman - of the March to the Sea???? N.B.F. - with NO formal training??? This was one bad mofo who got shit done.

Anonymous said...

To borrow a Rush line -

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice

Anonymous said...

Haley could probably pick up the Alabama counties east of the Tombigbee River and parts of Bogalusa, Louisiana if he puts his mind to it . What you know and what I know is that Haley could be the fleshly reincarnation of frickin' Henry Clay and it wouldn't make a dime's worth of difference. Parts of this country will not see past "Mississippi" and will not even consider any further electing someone from "Mississippi" (to which I say "GFY"). No different than most people wouldn't read past some reports that N.B.F. was supposedly a boogey man "Grand Wizard" (my comment - what bullshit) and label him from that single affiliation.

Anonymous said...

"Reportedly, someone asked Robert E. Lee to name the greatest soldier produced on either side during the war and he replied, "A man I have never seen, sir. His name is Forrest." General Sherman, who during the called him "that devil Forrest", also had a high opinion of Forrest and said, "Forrest was the most remarkable man our Civil War produced on either side." General Joseph E. Johnston said essentially the same thing as did General P. G. T. Beauregard. To Beauregard, "Forrest's capacity for war seemed only to be limited by the opportunities for its display."

Military historians and tacticians study Forrest's tactics and movements, and still utilize his tactics in battle plans. Forrest's battles have been and are still studied today. The war colleges for most armies around the world study Brice's Crossroads. German Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, and four other German military leaders, visited the battlefield in 1937, while touring the United States.

When the Desert Fox comes and pays homage to a self-taught, red neck cavalryman, that says something.

Get there first with the most men -

Damn! I'm gonna go home and crank up some Skynyrd!!!

I could have sworn I heard it playing already. That and Tom Petty.

Thanks for all the historical reminders and some new information, too. I actually have a major in the subject and have taken to tutoring JDA. She tells me she missed those classes, drunk or misbehaving or both.

Anonymous said...

well the spineless bastard just lost MY vote

Like I said before - compared to N.B.F., we are all a bunch of gutless, emo, tit suckling cry baby bitches and that's a Goddamned shame. Were Bedford alive, he'd probably tell Haley to jam his license plates up his fat ass.

Anonymous said...

My pleasure - I <3 Nathan Bedford Forrest for what he was able to accomplish even with enormous odds stacked against him - it should serve as an inspiration to everyone but people won't go past the "KKK" bit. Haley should man up but instead, he's gonna go wobbly to borrow a Thatcher phrase.

Well, there you have it. I guess he owned it. Or it owned him.

Now, what's the next lesson I can tutor JDA in?

Anonymous said...

I remember buying Damn the Torpedoes L.P. - Rolling Stone was calling Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers "the best thing to come out of Florida since oranges".

Anonymous said...

Well, there you have it. I guess he owned it. Or it owned him.

Amen - well said - it eventually owned him. What a douche.

Anonymous said...

Haley can kiss those eastern Alabama counties bye-bye (snicker)

Anonymous said...

Operation: Odyssey Dawn????? REALLY????!?????

Nathan Bedford Forest is turning over in his grave given the nation of pussies we've become.

If you're going to decide to go to war, then sack up already, and go to war and call it:

Operation: War Means Fighting and Fighting Means Killing. One of my old classmates was a redneck from Aberdeen Mississippi who enlisted into the Navy and became a Chief on a submarine and his motto was:

It ain't my fucking job to die for my country. It's my job to make the other guy die for his fucking country. His strategy back in 2001 was - leave not one fucking brick atop another and break these fuckers and their will to fight.... and THEN we'll rebuild. His ideas went over like a lead balloon.

Anonymous said...

Supposedly, Forrest had 30 horses shot out from under him during the civil war (excuse me, I meant to write The War of Northern Aggression - chuckle, you can take the red neck out of Mississippi but you can't take the Mississippi out of the red neck). I wonder exactly how many of the enemy NBF personally killed. I wonder if he killed any civilians. Prolly so, wouldn't you think? I'm reading about the 22 year old Morelock kid who killed some Afghans and then was stupid enough to pose for a picture with the corpses. He's gonna be as old as I am by the time he gets out of jail. This country is awfully confused when it comes to how to wage a proper war anymore. I think of NBF everytime I hear a song called Bad Company (listening on another tab now). We're gonna have some damned confused young men comin' home when this shit is over with (my opinion and as always, opinions and assholes, everyone has one)